On Sunday May 10, we will listen to Jen Hatmaker’s podcast “The Ache That Makes Us Human—and the Joy That Makes Us Whole”. Jen is joined by her beloved friend (and actual genius) Kate Bowler to talk about her new book, Joyful Anyway—a bracing, funny, tender rebellion against the optimization industrial complex. This is not a “choose joy” pep talk where somebody sprints past you tossing a Live Laugh Love pillow at your face. Kate is here for the after: after the before-and-after story didn’t pan out, after grief and guilt and longing set up permanent residence, after you realized happiness is fragile and reality keeps kicking in.

Link to Podcast on “jenhatmaker.com”

Link to Podcast on “podcasts.apple.com”

(60 min)